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Jedna mali delić sa oficijelnog foruma koji je usput blago rečeno postao užas otkad radi na novoj verziji..
Samo jedna prmer ali od sad pa an dalej a i ubuduće ću ovde stavljati tak ošta.. Teroristi jedni usrani bre...
I naravno i dans je i posle par godina proteka isti odgovor u nekim drugim istim temamam sa istim pšitanjem.
Princip je da Vbulletin tim tačno zna šta meni treba a google je glup i nepotreban i njegova upozorenaj ne treba shvatiti za ozbiljno...
404 errors after pruning lead to drop in SERPS.
Tue 11th May '10, 11:37am
Just noticed a drop in traffic. Looked in Google Webmaster Tools to see that there are over 400 404 errors due to pruned posts/threads.
There has to be a way to remedy this.
Anyone have a tip?
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Zachery
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Tue 11th May '10, 12:15pm
Don't prune old threads?
bacemail
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Tue 11th May '10, 12:38pm
Originally posted by Zachery View Post
Don't prune old threads?
Really? That's your answer? And you're on the vBulletin Team?
Either vBulletin is a business that could not care less about treating their customers with respect, or you are someone who has slipped through the cracks.
I never set my board to prune old threads. Would you care to elaborate and perhaps tell me how to shut the pruning off? Or are you going to reply with more smart-ass remarks?
Ace
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Tue 11th May '10, 12:41pm
Originally posted by bacemail View Post
I never set my board to prune old threads.
That's probably because you can't. It can only be done manually unless you have installed a plugin that does this for you.
- Zachery
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Tue 11th May '10, 12:42pm
vBulletin by default doesn't prune any threads, so unless you or another staff member of your site with access has removed said threads its not possible for them to have been pruned off.
Sometimes threads will be removed from display based on the default age of threads to show on every forum. But the threads are still there and viewable.
Can you show us examples of said 404 pages?
- bacemail
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Tue 11th May '10, 1:18pm
Zach...
What's the best way to remove threads from users' view without creating these 404's that damage SERP's? Compost category? What are admins doing to keep these 404's from showing up? There has to be some way to remove threads without being penalized by the search engines.
- ekool
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Tue 11th May '10, 1:25pm
bacemail,
In defense of VB, their answers are legitimate and logical.
If you prune threads, expect to give out 404's. To do otherwise would not be wise as you would either A) be redirecting these to a page that probably doesnt have anything to do with the original content or B) dumping these to a "catch page" which would be invalid as well.
So the answer is, either don't prune threads or if you have to delete a thread, why did you delete it in the first place, odds are you don't want it in the search engine.
I don't think having 404's in and of itself hurts you. We delete spam threads all the time and those will 404, but that's part of the internet. I don't expect to get penalized by Google for it.
- bacemail
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Tue 11th May '10, 1:36pm
Thanks for all the input, folks.
I know that there are others who have experienced this situation, and I hope that this thread helps them flush out their frustrations.
I realize now that I had a thread on my board with ~ 300 replies. One of the mods decided that the thread was no longer needed and soft deleted it. Google, who openly states that 404's will directly hurt your SERPs, found each post as a 404. Again, one thread with ~300 posts deleted = ~300 404 errors. I saw a direct correlation between the 404 errors and a drop in the SERP's.
^^^^ This is important information for ALL forum owners.
I have restored the said thread in hopes that G will crawl the site, remove the errors, and restore my place in the SERPs. I have also instructed my mods to refrain from deleting any threads - and instead, move them with a permanent redirect to an admin area of the forum where only I can see them.
Thank you for your input.
- Zachery
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Tue 11th May '10, 1:46pm
FYI, if a thread is moved out of public site, its the same as deleting it as far as Google is concerned. It would likley be best to close the thread and let it rot to keep up important data it might have.
- bacemail
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Tue 11th May '10, 1:48pm
Originally posted by Zachery View Post
FYI, if a thread is moved out of public site, its the same as deleting it as far as Google is concerned. It would likley be best to close the thread and let it rot to keep up important data it might have.
Thank you... That's a great point. So, in order to not be penalized by google, we must simply close the thread and let it drop off the first thread list page and into obscurity.
- Ace
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Tue 11th May '10, 5:02pm
Hang on.. since when did vB send 404s for deleted threads?
This is news to me.. expected behaviour would be for vB to return a 'invalid thread specified' error, no?
- Simon Lloyd
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Tue 11th May '10, 7:41pm
Originally posted by Ace View Post
Hang on.. since when did vB send 404s for deleted threads?
This is news to me.. expected behaviour would be for vB to return a 'invalid thread specified' error, no?
I thought that was the case!, i've just pruned out 15,000 zero reply posts!!!!!!!!!!!
Guess i'm going to Google hell!
- Ace
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Tue 11th May '10, 9:55pm
Another worthwhile question - since when did Google penalize for 404s?
- Simon Lloyd
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Wed 12th May '10, 9:04am
Originally posted by Ace View Post
Another worthwhile question - since when did Google penalize for 404s?
I checked, they don't as such, although it does make a difference if the deleted post has been indexed, Google state they want a 301 redirect, however reading further it seems that eventually they will be dropped unless another website provides a link to the deleted post, i didn't read much further because, as ever with Google, it's terms & conditions overload
But in summary, if the post has been indexed as valuable content for your site and a link exists on the web to the deleted post the 404 remains for that external link.....or thats the way i read it.
- bacemail
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Wed 12th May '10, 11:54am
Originally posted by Simon Lloyd View Post
I checked, they don't as such, although it does make a difference if the deleted post has been indexed, Google state they want a 301 redirect, however reading further it seems that eventually they will be dropped unless another website provides a link to the deleted post, i didn't read much further because, as ever with Google, it's terms & conditions overload
But in summary, if the post has been indexed as valuable content for your site and a link exists on the web to the deleted post the 404 remains for that external link.....or thats the way i read it.
Final thoughts: For a post or thread that has been indexed, then deleted - google will 404 each post that it finds missing. These 404 errors WILL drop you in the SERP's.
My solution - you have to weigh out the cost/benefit of having that particular thread indexed and on your forum. This is tough since you don't know exactly how much it will hurt your rankings. If you can live with it, just close it up. If you can't, then delete it and pray that you don't drop too much.