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Originally posted by starac vujadin
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ovo me posebno raduje, nema mnogo automobila sa ovim kvalitetom... -
najava za test u Quattroroute-u...al` ce Alvirovic da uziva...
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E, to jedva chekam da vidim... pored, naravno, ochitog razloga...156 2.5 V6 24v
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I zvanicno je potvrdjeno - 8c ce se takmiciti u GT2 klasi i na 24h Le Mansa u 2008 godini.
Automobil ce pripremati Maseratijev trkacki tim koji je jos ranije fuzionisan sa ljudima iz Autodelte. Suska se da ce sasiju praviti Dallara...videcemo.Comment
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u GT2? ... bilo bi zanimljivo da se tu pojave ovaj novi skyline gtr i audi r8 .. pa da bude "klanice" .. ali verovatno ce da padne neki dzentlmenski sporazum.
sve je bre to cirkus...
ili Audi da izadje sa nekim Lambordzinijem..za koji moj' ga je kupovao kad nista neradi sa njime?...mislim takva marka da "bleji"
Lakota withdraw from treaties, declare independence from U.S.Comment
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U svakom slucaju treba biti hrabar pa uci u klinc sa najboljim sportskim automobilom danas (Ferrari 430) i najuspesnijim sportskim automobilom uopste (Porsche 911). Bilo bi super kada bi ucestvovali Audi i BMW pogotovu sto imaju vrhunske masine za tu klasu, ali oni ucestvuju u drugim trkama. Steta sto BMW gusi sportsku karijeru M3...Comment
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Bice to milina u svakom pogledu... jedva chekam... Sad' kada pomene ti novi M3... Stvarno nisam ljubitelj beamer-a, narochito zbog onoga shto reprezentuje u ovoj zemlji (jbga), ali novi M3 sa onim fantastichnim V8 motorom, dakle stvarno RESPECT...156 2.5 V6 24v
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Cekaj uputi me malo, koja Autodelta?! Mislis vintage Autodelta spojena sa Maserati racing timom?!In essence, then, Alfa has always understood what makes driving a thrill. But it has never been able to make a car. Well, not a car that a rational, normal human being might want to buy.Comment
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[quote=HEMI 426]ovo me posebno raduje, nema mnogo automobila sa ovim kvalitetom...[/quote:329piall]Originally posted by "starac vujadin":329piall
FunTastic... Svaki respekt.....technology is the only Replacement for Displacement.Comment
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Francuzi se malo provozali po kishi i uredno driftovali...
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Hvalospevi u Top Gear-u
Fashion is a slippery bugger. The moment you allow yourself to think you've got a hold of it, it flies out of your hands like a bar of soap. Classical beauty lasts longer, and Alfa must be glad of this, for here they are launching a car first shown four whole years ago.
If the 8C Competizione's styling had been tied to the ship of fashion back then, it'd be wrecked on some forgotten coast by now. Luckily it wasn't. It was, and remains, knee-tremblingly gorgeous in the time-honoured manner of an Italian front-engined two-seater.
Just how gorgeous was hard to appreciate when we only ever glimpsed it in sections at motor shows, the majority of its form always occluded by the close-pressed palpitating flesh of car-loving humanity. But now it's out in the open and ready to roll, the answer is entirely gorgeous.
It was designed by Wolfgang Egger, then Alfa design boss, now at Audi. At the time of the concept car he told me it was 'modern, but with tradition,' when I asked him if it was too retro. It harks back to the era of coachbuilt track-biased Alfas. "We remembered the 2000 Sportiva, the 33 Stradale and the TZ."
Holy cow, they were good things to remember. It has the long, high nose and short teardrop cabin of the TZ, and the extraordinarily beautiful surface curves of the 33 Stradale. Which is all well and good, but I do have some reservations about this car. Let's get them out of the way, eh, so we can end on a high note.
For a start, look at the name: 8C Competizione. The 8C is easy - eight cylinders, reflecting honestly a long-time Alfa designation. But Competizione: where's the racing? The looks reflect old Alfa racers, yes, and it's made partly of carbon. But it's not a semi-racer. It's a road car, built for style and Sunday morning blasts. That's OK, so why give it a travesty of a name?
Maybe the dishonesty of the word Competizione was OK on a concept car, which is how it started out all those years ago. Such a clamour of adoration built up around it that Alfa started to look at production. But before long, parent company Fiat was in such deep do-do that they couldn't contemplate anything so wildly non-core.
Then Fiat healed itself, and the project was back on, engineered to this state in just 18 months. But it remains non-core, a V8 supercar that's triple the price of anything else Alfa does.
A halo car, you say? Well yes, it'll score Alfa some attention as it goes back to the USA in 2009. The 8C is a seriously enticing machine, but it doesn't really advance the art of the supercar. And frankly I can't help wishing they'd put these engineers onto finessing the Brera a bit. Still, to be fair, I always had the same reservations about the irrelevance of the Ford GT, and I have to admit I was in the minority. Enough musing. Let's drive.
So you get in, itching to go. But you don't go anywhere, at least for a few minutes. Because you're paralysed by the extraordinary world you find yourself in. The cabin is beautiful and to me even better than the outside, because it's more inventive, more progressive and yet even more identifiably Italian. The seats have supercar bolstering, but they're covered in a wonderful woven leather.
The bits that look like aluminium are exactly that. In fact they're machined from solid, so for each car they start with 100 kilos of metal and end up with 5kg of switches and doorhandles and 95kg of swarf. Meanwhile the dash and console are naked carbon fibre. This has more to do with it being cheap to tool-up for a low-volume hand-built machine than with it having anything to do with a racetrack, but the material shimmers seductively in the Northern Italian morning sunlight.
Press a starter button. It's answered by a lengthy ring of starter motor. Just as you're thinking it'll never fire, you get punched in the chest by an explosion of V8 tailpipe lunacy. This is one aristocratic engine. It's made by Ferrari, related to the Maserati unit of the Quattroporte, and GranTurismo, but instead of 4.2 litres it's 4.7, and so gets an extra 50bhp. That makes 450. Blip the throttle and it sounds that number. At the very least.
The 8C isn't made for dawdling but it will trickle along without reluctance: at low revs, if you stay off the throttle the noise is kept somewhere the sociable side of outrage, and it's possible to persuade the paddleshifted transaxle automated-manual gearbox into moderately soft-edged shifts.
But once you start work on the accelerator, delicious sonic craziness is all yours. It's distinctive, too, with a lot more bass in the mix than a Ferrari, but with the edgy top-notes intact. You can make it woofle, you can make it scream. And when it is screaming, the noise echoes its way around the hard-surfaced cabin for maximum effect. This is in no way a peaceful tourer.
So while we're at it, let's press the sport button on the console. Normally there's a valve to muffle the exhaust a little below 4,000rpm. Sport mode locks this out. It also quickens the throttle pedal travel, shortens gearchange times and gives you extra leeway on the ESP threshold.
So with 450bhp cracking away at 1,585kg, it's fast. Fast in that highly-tuned naturally-aspirated way: you have to go and fetch the power from the far end of the rev-counter, so you're staying with the car, tipping the paddles at the just-so moment, stoking the red-hot fire ahead.
When the needle swings beyond 4,000 there's a really sharp step in the force, and another one - less significant but still enticing - at about 6,000, from where the 8C's pants properly catch alight and it charges for the 7,500rpm red-line as if that were the only place to find an extinguisher.
Oh and when you change down a gear, there's a succession of pops and cackles from the exhaust, like devilish laughter. It doesn't spit flame, but you just know it should. The figures look like this: 0-62mph in 4.2 seconds and 183mph. That's not all. After a few miles you're in thrall to the fact that this is more, far more, than a powertrain car.
The Maserati Cambiocorsa gearbox is at the back, and weight distribution is slightly rear-biased. And though it uses Quattroporte suspension, the wheelbase is significantly shorter than any Maser on sale now, the subframes are bolted solidly to the body instead of through bushes and the steering rack is more direct, the springs and anti-roll bars are stiffer, and the dampers don't bother with the wobbly and ineffective Skyhook adaptive nonsense - they're in the tensed-and-ready position all the time.
There are 20-inch P Zeroes, 285-35 section at the back, and downforce thanks to an underfloor venturi.
So it was built to handle. They could afford to make the springs stiff because they've got a very stiff body to mount them to. The screen pillars, roof, aft pillars and rear wings are a single carbon lay-up, providing huge stiffness. The front wings, door skins and bonnet are carbon too, for lightness. The upper carbon structure is bonded to a steel lower platform, borrowed from the Quattroporte again but shortened and modified.
It works. Well, it does on home turf at least. Alfa is letting outsiders drive it only at the company's own Balocco test track (boo hiss), but it's a long and interesting circuit and I'm having a ball.
The 8C is confident and balanced, and grippy as anything. Of course it understeers on very tight bends if you go in too fast, so the right way is to be cautious on the way in and incautious with the throttle on the way out. Kill the ESP and it's a real drifter. In faster stuff, it's reassuring but balanced and very much alive.
The brake pedal has an overly long travel and on this glassy-smooth surface it was hard to judge how much steering feel there was, but I suspect not as much as the best of this world's mid- and rear-engined cars. But when you think about Astons and AMG SLs and M6s and Corvettes, I'd say the 8C is more fun.
It should be. For a start it's ruddy expensive at £111,000. Two, the set-up doesn't leave much room for comfort. It slaps hard onto bumps, even things like manhole covers. But on the other hand, once the bump has gone, it's really history. The related Quattroporte gets all wrapped up in shuddering and aftershocks. The Alfa just deals with it. That's partly because the carbon-and-steel body is so stiff.
We mustn't be too kind to the 8C Competizione. It always feels like the rushed job it is, in the sense that it hasn't had the rough edges painstakingly worked off like a 911 Turbo or even a Gallardo has. But in the right circumstance, that's what makes it special.
Alfa is being canny keeping it as a limited edition, with just 41 coming to Britain out of a world total of 500. Every one is sold. Ah well, before long they'll announce a fresh run of a Spider version, so if you want to be part of that hysteria, make yourself known to Alfa now.Comment
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e sad josh da to vidimo na Top Gear tv izdanju... mljac... Ili ce SAT biti brzi
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