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  • Milos
    CBC Senator XXL
    • 12.05.2005
    • 700
    • Beograd, carraburma

    Pomoc oko lagera...

    cao!

    imam jednu dilemu i potrebni su mi vasi saveti, naime trebam uraditi redovan servis kaiseva, spanera, filtera itd...
    e sad, problem nastaje kod uljnog spanera, tacnije lagera istog!
    model je SKF 633254 koji je prestao da se proizvodi i nema ga nigde.


    dimenzije:
    58.5 spoljasnji precnik
    35 unutrasnji precnik
    30 sirina

    na drugim alfinim forumima sam video da su radili prepravke tako sto vezu dva manja (6907) 55 x 35 x 10 u paralelu i kod strugara naprave cauru u koju upresuju oba lagera da bi dobili zeljeni spoljni precnik 58.5mm... koliko je srecno ovo resenje? s obzirom da je zupcasti u pitanju? neki kazu da ce jedan brzo da strada jer ga vodi ovaj drugi, zapravo da nisu predvidjeni da rade u paru u istom kucistu? jel ima smisla ovo?

    evo i teksta:
    ok i see that the original bearing is a problem for you guys, here some info:
    original bearing ( hydraulic tensioner ) is a very strong double row ball bearing compared to the small single row ball bearing in the mechanical tensioner- this is actually a step back ( alfa wants to sell spare parts !!!)
    i had never a (hydraulic)bearing failure, but some of the older ones are running rough and replacement is a good idea
    they measure: D 58.5mm x d 35 mm 30mm wide outer side, 25 mm wide inner side
    this is from the outside measurements a very special bearing made for alfa only
    as im not rich and not crazy either to spend 90 $ for a simple bearing and most of you guys too, do following:
    buy 2 single row bearings 6.907 2 RS, they measure 55 x 35 x 10, they cost 4 ( !!!!!!) $ each
    let your machinist do a steel sleeve with 59mm outer dia and a inner dia for press fit to the bearings and 2 spacers for the shaft ( cost maximal 20 $ ) that makes total less then 30 $ and the best thing is that next time you replace the bearings you reuse the sleeve and spacers, so you get away for 8 $ !!!
    this homemade bearing is as strong as the original one and who doesnt believe has to dismantle the original one and the 6907, if somebody wants a better than new than use NSK 6907 VV bearing they are more expensive ( around 15 $ each ) but top of the range free spinning bearings

    for the tensioner himself the cheapest solution is to make a mechanical ( disconnect the oil) out of a hydraulic one or buy the zat-tensioner
    drugo resenje je meni palo na pamet, da se isto upare dva lagera ali 6007 dimenzije 62 x 35 x 14 tako dobijam 28mm sto ustvari znaci 30mm kada se izmedju njih stavi odstojnik, znaci original ali mi je precnik 3.5mm veci?
    u ovoj varijanti ne bi isla nikakva caura jer sam vec izasao iz dimenzije za tih 3.5mm, da li to moze biti problem? ili problem sto ce biti malo zazora izmedju njih zbog kaisa koji naleze? moze li da dodje do ostecenja kaisa?
    ovako bi to izgledalo:


    sta uraditi?
    hvala!

    p.s. zaboravio sam da kazem da je u pitanju alfa 155 2.5
  • Pole
    CBC Senator XXL
    • 05.10.2006
    • 363
    • Plandiste,Juzni Banat,Vojvodina/-/-/-/ Garaza: osmaja :)

    #2
    sto ne pitas Alfa tim

    http://www.cannonballforums.se/index.ph ... d911021430
    zasto krava nosi zvonce...?...?...?
    pa zato sto joj ne radi sirena :) :) :)

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    • zoranbg
      CBC Senator XXL
      • 23.03.2005
      • 4098
      • Rooster's Hill , Beog
      • Grande Punto 1.2

      #3
      jesi li siguran da ako nema,nemoze da se poruci .. jesli li ih sve zvao?
      http://www.skf.com/portal/skf_cs/home/d ... rs?lang=sr

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      • Flavio
        CBC Senator XXL
        • 13.06.2006
        • 1926
        • 012 Centar
        • KaraWagon 1.4T.Spark

        #4
        E,vidi Milose sad sam malo popricao sa batom na ovu tvoju temu.Da ne duzim,prenosim njegov savet a bilo bi lepo ako bi jos ko ovo razmotrio .
        LM,
        predog je da ipak stavis 6007.Razlog je sto je to lezaj sa vecom nosivoscu nego 6907.Dalje,predlaze znaci lezaj tacne oznake 6007 2RSC3 (2RS ojacan,C3 za vece brzine) i to od francuskog proizvodjaca SNR koji prave lezajeve za do 130.000 rpm.

        Nadam se da ti je ovo od neke pomoci .A mozda ne bi bilo lose da probas i ovo sto predlaze zoranbg tj. mozda je ostao neki komad na zalihama od ranije kod nekog od uvoznika.

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        • KdF
          CBC Senator
          • 06.12.2004
          • 242
          • Beograd

          #5
          2RS je oznaka za dvostruko zatvoreni lezaj (zastita od prasine), a C3 je oznaka unutrasnjeg radijalnog zazora lezaja (za taj lezaj 15-33 mikrona, inace veci od normalnog).
          6007 ima dinamicku nosivost od oko 16.8kN a 61907 od 9.56kN.
          Granicni broj obrtaja je isti i za oba 2RS i iznosi oko 7000o/min.

          (Podaci su sa www.skf.com , ali kako se lezajevi prave po standardima svaki lezaj, nezavisno od proizvodjaca, treba da zadovoljava te standarde.)

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