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  • DELracing
    CBC Veteran
    • 08.04.2005
    • 127
    • BGD

    Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

    Tema za razmisljanje. Copy Paste sa drugog foruma

    For those who are not aware of the benefits here it is in a nutshell.

    How does alcohol/water injection work?
    By injecting a fine spray of alcohol/water into the inlet air stream of the engine, the charge air is dramatically cooled and the effective octane of the fuel is raised. Both help to eliminate detonation — the enemy of any engine, especially those using today's lower octane fuel under boost. For turbo diesel engine you will get a 100% fuel burn and on average pick up 20% to 30% more horse power over your RPM band. Turbocharged Gas engines will on average pick up 20% more horse power. You will notice immediate gains in performance. Your turbo will spool up faster, your top end will be noticeably improved and you will get no detonation.
    What are the other benefits of alcohol injection?
    1. Steam cleaned motor, alcohol injection will remove 95% of all carbon on the inside of your engine and keep it that way dramatic increase in engine life. There is no fuel additive on the market that can clean your engine as well. This means less maintaince , were talking almost zero carbon build up on plugs combustion chambers and valves!
    2. Eliminate black smoke in turbo diesels by 95% under load.
    3. Reduce emissions making a marked improvement in air quality.
    4. More Kilometers per liter, more power at less throttle equal more liters per Kilometer.
    5. Zero detonation
    6. Intake air temperature reductions of up to 37C drop. You touch your intake it will be ice cold even on the hottest day after the system is on.
    7. Reduction of Exhaust gas Temperatures as much as 93C, which increases horsepower and eliminates detonation.
    This is the only performance modification that pays for itself. Plus a fulltime forum for questions and technical support.
    Common questions What kind of fluid do I use?
    1. Water/Methanol , no greater than 50/50 in a turbo diesel motor. Easy source for this is simple, good old windshield washer fluid -6C or +20F mix. It contains methanol and the water is distilled and is ready available.
    2. Denatured alcohol
    3. Isopropyl alcohol or Ethyl Alcohol also work just fine. also know as
    Rubbing alcohol.
    4. Methanol 118 octane, Denatured Alcohol 116 octane, Isopropyl 106 octane.

    What kind of power increase will I see
    With just water you will see up to 15% more HP add up to 20% alcohol of your choosing and your gains will be up to 30% all with no down sides. Unlike all the scam devices for sales in the papers this is proven technology that works and is in use on vehicles all over the world with proven results.

    The system pays for itself in performance, fuel economy and a engine that is almost 95% carbon free. There is no fuel additive on the market that can keep an internal combustion engine this clean.

    And before it is ask no alcohol/water injection does not rust the inside of your motor, the water is in steam form and the methanol is vapor long before it hits the combustion chambers.

    Here’s the facts (elevation dependent)
    Methanol boils at around 150F
    Ethanol boils at around 172F
    Water at around 212F

    Now if you soaked your parts in a vat of water and methanol that's a different story.

    Here is the Dyno conducted at Speedlab in Quezon City Philippines on my last marketing trip.

    This vehicle is bone stock no modifications but a cold air intake. No boost controllers.

    Guess what folks this is done with the factory intercooler completely by- passed. The top mount is completely worthless in this climate and the heavy traffic. So we just eliminated it

    This is his set up, We completely ditched the factory intercooler, There is a DO1 nozzle pre turbo which you can see from the charts the resutls of the instant spooling it provides even with 100% water the TQ off the line is impressive and a DO2 nozzle at the intake to further cool things down. Now a DO3 nozzle at the intake would work just as well on most vehicles but this one struggled to make boost so we did pre-turbo which makes the little turbo act like a big one.

    We did pulls with 30/70 methanol/water and then switch over to 50/50 denatured because the meth was already mixed at 30% gains probably would have been even greater with the methanol.

    Note the mixture was 30/70 methanol/water if it is not stated on the dyno sheet. The other mix we use was 62P bottle of Ethly alcohol from the drug store 500ml and 500ml water for the 50/50 mix. The gains were huge

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    Link:

    Methanol Injection, Alcohol Injection, Water Injection, DevilsOwn
    Ford Puma 1.7 16V
    Saab 9-3 1.9 TID
  • djape1977
    CBC Senator XXL
    • 08.03.2008
    • 401
    • bg
    • fiat 132 i lada 2103

    #2
    Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

    water injection sistem se koristio na avionima sa klipnim motorima jos u drugom svetskom ratu kao boost za kratkotrajnu upotrebu. detalje ne znam.

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    • DELracing
      CBC Veteran
      • 08.04.2005
      • 127
      • BGD

      #3
      Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

      Bilo je tema na forumu ali niko nije pomenuo bolju iskoriscenost kod dizelasa
      Ford Puma 1.7 16V
      Saab 9-3 1.9 TID

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      • kilson
        Moderator
        • 09.10.2004
        • 3216
        • NoviBGD
        • AR 75 GT

        #4
        Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

        Originally posted by BOOST
        Evo me..


        Izaziva koroziju na tockicu TuRbine.. skracuje vek trajanja iste... zahteva programiranje paljenja.. jer u trenutku kad se voda ubrizgava zahteva se druga tacka paljenja kroz ceo registar.

        SAAB je krajem 70-ih godina imao na USA trzistu sistem i glupi ameri su zaboravljali da sipaju vodu pa je TuRbo bio pregrejavan. Stara konstrukcija TuRbo motora je bila sa nizim geometriskim stepenom kompresije da se izbegnu samodetonacije.

        APC je jedan FEED sistem koji komunicira sa motorom preko knock senzora i smanjuje nivo punjenja TuRba na kratko ukoliko dodje do detonacija.

        Dakle sistem je aktivan.

        Voda je istorija i nista za danasnje moderne sklopove.
        Masnija smesa, dakle vise goriva radi svoj posao puno bolje sa manje komplikacija , dakle snizuje se temperatura izduvnih gasova. Benzinom se nesmanjuje temperatura ekspanzije tako da motor ima vecu snagu dok nema problema sa temperaturom izduva.
        Voda smanjuje temperaturu ekspanzije i efektivnost motora u istoj srazmeri.

        Mislim da nema vise sta da se diskutuje o ovome

        Kako kazu istorivcari: Nice try , i nista vise

        ( PS: Ameri uvek imaju precice za friziranje , koriste se tip sekirom umesto software resenjima .. zato sistem jos uvek postoji)

        Na kraju cele priche, ne znam zashto bi tehnologiju iz 70-ih primenjivao na jednom tako dobrom motoru... Ako ti treba nizha temperatura vazduha ubaci drugi intercooler, ako hoces jos snage idi na jachi turbo i novi remap. Jeftine modifikacije se obichno obiju o glavu, a obzirom da imash bas vredan primerak automobila, zaobisao bih ovakve stvarchice.
        Srpski klub ljubitelja Alfa Romeo automobila

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        • Gumetina
          Banovan
          • 12.12.2004
          • 1082
          • Novi Sad

          #5
          Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

          Plin Indzeksn

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          • DELracing
            CBC Veteran
            • 08.04.2005
            • 127
            • BGD

            #6
            Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

            Da se pesimisti na forumima pitaju niko nikad ne bi napravio ni jednu modifikaciju.....

            Mozda ovo nije najbolje resenje za tuninig ali se za to i ne preporucuje. Preporuka je koriscenje ovog sistema na motorima kojima je vec povecana snaga, pored ostalog i boost.....

            Britanci su poludeli oko ovog moda jer im je stavilo tacku na sitne muke sa netjunovanim turbo dizel motorima i donelo dodatnu snagu....
            Eliminisani su crni dim, naslage cadji, pregrevanje turba, losa emisija stetnih gasova. Primecen je mirniji rad.....

            Gumetina >> Stavicemo i plin i ovo
            Ford Puma 1.7 16V
            Saab 9-3 1.9 TID

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            • kilson
              Moderator
              • 09.10.2004
              • 3216
              • NoviBGD
              • AR 75 GT

              #7
              Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

              Originally posted by DELracing
              Da se pesimisti na forumima pitaju niko nikad ne bi napravio ni jednu modifikaciju...
              Srpski klub ljubitelja Alfa Romeo automobila

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              • Gumetina
                Banovan
                • 12.12.2004
                • 1082
                • Novi Sad

                #8
                Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

                nema chadji

                ovo me podseti, Laki jel se secas Nikoline peci na Ulje, sa akvamistom ?

                Isti princip .....

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                • kilson
                  Moderator
                  • 09.10.2004
                  • 3216
                  • NoviBGD
                  • AR 75 GT

                  #9
                  Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

                  Originally posted by Gumetina
                  Plin Indzeksn
                  Hajde malo razrade tipa kako bi sistem funkcionisao i koji bi mu bio cilj? Smanjenje temperature u usisu ili u komori? Planiras direktno da ubrizgavas gas ili da ti usisna bude neka vrsta isparivaca ili nesto trece?
                  Srpski klub ljubitelja Alfa Romeo automobila

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                  • BOOST
                    Founder - Admin od Začetka
                    • 29.09.2004
                    • 8726
                    • Gislaved//Sweden
                    • SAAB 9000 AERO R; SA

                    #10
                    Re: Alcohol-Water injection na DIZELIMA

                    DELracing

                    Dobra ideja sa Alkohol injection za tvoj motor, samo deluje da su tehnologije koje navodis praistorijske. Zamenis disel za alkohol i teras. To vec zvuci bolje.
                    Att mäta är att veta...to measure is to know...meriti je znati..
                    move your mind

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