'ladno GTA (nije moja :p)

[low rider]

Nisam gledao emisliju, ali sam iz teksta stekao pozitvniji utisak o 147 GTA, nego ti sa TV-a, pogotovo sto ga je pisao Klarkson, od koga i ocekujes da napljuje sve zivo sto mu padne pod ruke sem britanskih kola. Cak sta vise imam osecaj da je u neku ruku nahvalio 147icu GTA.

Prokomentarisao je problem upravljanja, sto je ustvari jedina zamerka na auto, sem pada cene.

[mitrowsky]

Evo epizoda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1RozImNvzk

[low rider]

Hm, ipak vredi procitati tekst jer mnogo je interesantniji od emisije i uopste nije isti.

Zasto je iskljucio ASR, pa da ne bi gubio na preformansama pretpostavljam, opet bez traction control-a izgleda moras biti vise nego dobar vozac da bi kontrolisao GTA i 250ks na prednjim tockovima.

Kako se stvari, bar sto se tice Klarksona i GTA, drasticno menjaju mozete procitati u njegovom claku o GTA Autodelti. Iako sada sa ludih 328 konja na prednjoj osovini, izgleda da ugradjeni LSD cuda cini (ili je to mozda zato sto je Autodelta engleska firma ).
Pa za ovaj auto, neobicno, ne da nema zamerke vec je odusvljen. Sem autodeltinog body kit-a .

Kada prica o pozicioniranju Alfe u okviru FIAT grupacije, mislim da nije daleko od istine.

Autodelta 147 GTA
Jeremy Clarkson

Every week I find it jolly easy to be rude on these pages about the latest product from some large and faceless corporation. But because I’m fundamentally weak and spineless, I find it awfully difficult to be similarly critical about the heroic efforts of a mere one-man band.

Chances are, the one-man band in question will have laboured over the project, in his unheated shed, for years and years. He’ll have ignored the needs of his wife and the education of his children because everything in his life will have been devoted to the creation of his new “baby”.

And as a result he’d take it badly if a reviewer peered into the pram and said: “My God, that’s ugly.”

Unfortunately, however, it will be ugly; and dangerous and impractical with it. That’s because cars made in sheds on Black & Decker Workmates are rarely tested in Australian deserts or in the frozen Arctic wastes.

They aren’t deliberately crashed to ensure they’re safe for people to collide in, nor are they driven round a track for thousands of miles to make sure they’re reliable. In fact they’re rarely tested at all, and this is another reason that I avoid them. Because most are accidents that haven’t yet happened.

Somehow, though, a specially tuned car did turn up at the house the other day. It was an Alfa Romeo that had been breathed on by a company called Autodelta, and since there was nothing else for me in the drive I swallowed my nerves and took it for a spin...

I suppose if any cars can be tuned, Alfas make ideal candidates, chiefly because Alfa Romeo itself is not allowed to tune them. Fiat, you see, owns just about all the car firms in Italy, and each is given a specific role.

Ferrari: your job is to win the Formula One world championship until the end of time. Maserati: your job is to make Ferraris that are a little softer and a little more practical for the middle-aged businessman who wants bespoke engineering on an everyday basis. Fiat: your job is to make cars for the walnut-faced peasantry, and Lancia: your job is to make Fiats for the more successful and style-orientated motorist.

Job done, and a car in there for everyone. But unfortunately that leaves Alfa Romeo with nothing to do. They aren’t allowed to compete with any of the others and that means they have to try making cars that aren’t too fast, or sporty, or luxurious, or stylish, or cheap. In other words it’s in their remit to be deliberately average.

Happily, they’re not very good at it. I drove a 166 to Wakefield last week and must say that, on paper, it’s complete rubbish. It’s slower than the equivalent 5-series BMW, thirstier than a solid rocket booster and equipped with...well, almost nothing at all. It doesn’t even come with a cupholder and the depreciation has to be experienced to be believed. Buy one tomorrow for £29,900 and in one year it will be worth just £13,000. That’s £17,000 gone down the pan. Small wonder, I reasoned, as I plodded along, that they’ve only managed to sell two in Britain this year.

And yet, beneath the politically inspired ordinariness, you can sense it has been designed and thought-out by people who really do care. It had a soul, that car...a real, genuine character that somehow managed to turn every mile of the journey into a heart-warming event.

If I were to be in the market for a large four-door saloon, I wouldn’t hesitate for a second. I’d hang the cost and get myself a 166.

Imagine, though, if you could combine this sense of being with some genuinely exciting performance. Imagine if you could free Alfa from its Fiat shackles and untie the engineers’ arms. And now stop imagining, because such a car is here, in the shape of the Autodelta 147 GTA.

The heart of the machine is the engine, which is a bored-out version of the renowned Alfa V6. So you get 3.7 litres which, thanks to specially made stainless steel exhausts, a Ferrari throttle system and a remapped computer, means an almost unbelievable 328bhp is to hand.

Now that’s all very well and good, but the standard car cannot cope with the power from its 3.2 litre, 247bhp engine. If you even think about going near the throttle, its front wheels light up like Catherine wheels and you go nowhere in a cloud of expensive Pirelli smoke.

The trick is to trickle away from the lights, wondering why you didn’t simply buy the 1.6 litre version, and then floor it. But even then you need to be careful, because torque steer will put you straight into the nearest tree.

The fact is that you cannot put large power outputs through the front wheels alone. They’ve got their work cut out doing the steering and the last thing they need is to be distracted from the job with all those angry Italian horsepowers.

Engineers at Saab once told me that the most power you could realistically entrust to a front-wheel-drive car is 220bhp. A point they proved recently by launching an unwieldy 250bhp front-driver called the Hot Aero.

And yet here’s Autodelta putting 328bhp through those front wheels. Are they mad? Do they want to kill only their customers, or are they after people coming the other way as well? Driving a front-wheel-drive hatchback with 328bhp is like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun. It’s like trying to fly a helicopter gunship while drunk: you’re going to crash, and you’re going to die.

To try to get round the problem, they’ve fitted a limited-slip differential, and that started the alarm bells ringing even more stridently. Ford fitted such a thing to its Focus RS and turned what might have been quite a nice car into a complete liability. On anything other than a smooth track it would suddenly turn sharp left for no reason. And you couldn’t prepare yourself, because sometimes it would suddenly turn sharp right. Limited slip diffs in front-wheel-drive cars, I deduced after a sweaty, terrifying drive through Wales in the RS, Do Not Work.

I was therefore decidedly nervous as I tippy-toed out of my drive in Autodelta’s passport to the next life. I’d said a tearful goodbye to my wife, and hugged the kids: Daddy wasn’t coming back.

The accident, I knew within moments, was going to be a big one, because this car isn’t ferociously fast. It’s much quicker than that. Ferrari throttle? Forget it. When you stamp on the accelerator it’s like you’ve hit the Millennium Falcon’s hyperdrive. Suddenly all the stars are fluorescent tubes.

In bald English, 0 to 60mph takes 5sec. Flat-out you’ll be doing 175mph, and therefore there has never been a hatchback this hot before.

A corner was coming. And then it was a distant speck in my rear-view mirror. I vaguely remember turning the wheel and I have a dim recollection of being astounded by the grip...and then the moment was gone.

No, really, the damn thing’s a barnacle. Normally, in a tight bend, a front-drive car will spin the inside wheel uselessly, which means the one on the outside suddenly has to do all the steering and power-handling. But obviously it can’t and you understeer off the road. But with that diff, the inside wheel doesn’t spin, it grips and grips and then it grips some more.

Yes, bumps will cause some violent tugging at the wheel, and yes, it graunches horribly while reversing at slow speed, but the upside is a whole new chapter written into the laws of physics.

I’d love to stop at this point and give the man who made this car a nice warm feeling in the pit of his tummy. But I’m duty bound to point out one or two shortcomings.

First, the body kit was awful, but worse than this was the ride. The car I drove belonged to a 22-year-old — I’d love to see his insurance bill — and he’d set it up completely wrong. It had the compliancy of an RSJ and the comfort of sitting down sharply on the sharp end of a piledriver.

But, I see from the brochure, you don’t need to fit springs and dampers made from oak and iron. You can have more conventional stuff if that’s what you fancy — and take it from me, you do. You can leave the body kit off the options list as well.

This has an effect on price. As tested, my car cost £40,000, which, considering the speed and grip, has to be the bargain of the century. But if you just stick to the engine, the diff and some tasty tyres, it’s going to cost a lot less.

Better still, you can have all the important modifications that can be fitted to any Alfa: the 166, the 156 and the GTV. And that’s a tempting prospect. It means you can have an Alfa Romeo. Not just a Fiat with an Alfa Romeo badge.

VITAL STATISTICS

Model: Autodelta 147 GTA
Engine type: V6, 3750cc
Power: 328bhp @ 7300rpm
Torque: 260 lb ft @ 4700rpm
Transmission: Six-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Suspension: Height-adjustable coil struts
Tyres: 225/40 Z18
Fuel: 20mpg (combined)
Acceleration: 0-60mph: 5.0sec
Top speed: 175mph
Price: £39,234
Verdict: Mad amount of power and astounding grip make this the hottest hatch ever

[Laki GSi]

valjda negde u Obrenovcu, a zivi na NBG-u.

Upravo tako,mada ne verujem da je do sad niko od vas zarazenih nije video,taj auto je u Srbiji minimum 2god!

A to sto nece na forum paaa.....normalan covek

[brzi_pas]

Sto se tice JC-a, co'ek je "alfista" toliko puta je hvalio Alfu, i hvali je svaki put, naravno svi znamo da ima mana, i on ih u svom stilu pokaze, ali na kraju svakog texsta kaze da bi je uzeo prije od konkurencije...

Za breru kaze... nebih je preporucio prijatelju, ali nebih mogao da odolim i naravno da bi je uzeo prije konkurencije...
Za breru 1put je rekao, "zamislite da stojte ispred ovog auta i okrenete se i kupite BMW... morali bi ste biti ludi"....

I da ne nabrajam jos milion situacija dje je hvalio Alfu

[Damjan156]

Slažem se da je u prvom predstavljanju extra nahvali,vozne karakteristike,dizajn(jednom je rekao da su i vlasnici Alfe ljudi sa puno para,ali i sa stilom za razliku od vlasnika bmw-a ) e a onda krene paljba po njoj te ne valja ovo,ono...i da završi otprilike sa time da je Alfa nešto posebno i kao što ti reče preporuči konkureciju.

Međutim hvala njemu,tako Alfa i čuva svoj ekskluzivitet jer se malo ljudi (čistih zanesenjaka) odluči upravo za nju

[TOKYO]

Alfa ne zivi od (cistih zanesenjaka) vec od prodaje. . . .

Velika je greska sto se alfa konstantno poredi sa Bmw-om,te komparacije su vec postale i dosadne,cak po malo zvuce pateticno i ponizavajuce. . .

Mercedes,Audi,Bmw. . . . ,su velika imena,postovana sirom sveta,ma ko ih vozio to su odlicni automobili i najveca greska alfe je poredjenje sa istim-a....,Alfa je svoja (drugacija) i na tu drugaciju kartu treba igrati!

[igorkrnic]

Potpuno se slazem, alfa je svoja i drugacija i ne treba ni da se spusta na taj nivo da je porede sa svabama
mada nema alfa sama stete od tih poredjenja jer ta poredjenja rade vlasnici alfi a ne sama fabrika preko marketinga tako da su to samo eto price o utiscima i ukusima

[Damjan156]

E ljudi ispravka. Nedeljom (u 17 il 19h) je Top Gear na kanalu ULTRA,a ne na Enteru kako sam ranije naveo.

A sad da kažem jednu anegdotu JC-a,ide ovako...

Sede oni u emisiji pričaju nešto o Alfi,njih trojica,četvorica i se slože kako su u nekom periodu svog života posedovali jednu ili je još imaju,i onda pitaju jel ima u publici još neko ko vozi Alfu.Digne ruku jedan il dvojica njih i na to JC odgovara "pa naravno da ih nema kada nisu mogli da je pokrenu!!!"
Pa sada vi vidite,za koga on vrši reklamu.Baš mu hvala što je nahvali za dizajn!Pa i slepac bi da opipa njene obline shvatio o kakvoj je lepoti reč!!!
A što se tiče ovoga testa 147GTA by Autodelta,pa zar imao šanse da joj nađe neku zamerku,e hvala mu na objektivnosti u P.M.

[TOKYO]

@igorkrnic

1.Nemoj da gledas u moj avatar!

2.Vlasnici alfe ne treba da prave izgovore ZASTO voze alfu, tipa BMW voze seljaci,VW je gnoj i slicne gluposti, i sta u ostalom bilo koga boli K za to???

Lepo se kaze vozim alfu zato sto je najvise volim, ma kakva bila!! KRAJ.

Kada sam prodao Alfu i resio da probam Bmw za promenu.., otisao sam na bmw forum...,nisam bio odusevljen sa ljudima (cast izuzetcima) ali nigde nisam video da bilo ko spominje Alfu,nigde. . . .

Tako..., da mislim da je takav stav pametan,pogotovo ako je neko slep na oci,ja bih voleo svasta da vozim jel nisam toliko privrzen za brend,iako mi je alfa najdraza!

@Damjan156

Slazem se sa tobom!!

Taj nadmeni englez mi toliko nekada ide na zivce . . .

[StudentBGD]

evo ta epizoda o kojoj pricate kada govore o vlasnicima alfi... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-VDTKtCr3c

p.s. danas sam po povratku iz zr video teget Breru sa ZD tablicama, slikao sam je ali je lose ispalo...

[Damjan156]

Bravo care,kako si je izvukao!

[StudentBGD]

ma gledao bas juce neke testove alfe, usput naisao na ovo i pogldao, pa kada sam video vec da spominjete... nema na cemu. pratim ja desavanja u ovom klubu samo cjutim jer nikada nisam imao alfu pa nemam mnogo da kazem o njima osim zelja... =]

[TOKYO]

I sta reci vise. . . . ? ? ?

student me preduhitrio

[Damjan156]

Ništa ljudi,evo plan... poslaćemo JC-u par pretećih pisama sa antraxom!