Alfa Romeo 159 (prve fotke i testovi generalna diskusija)

[Milos]

mozete da pricate sta hocete, ali ovo nije tipican italijanski dizajn...
nema vise emocija (ako znate o cemu pricam), bocna linija auta 'vec vidjena', (a to je ono gde su italijani bili posebni) po meni nista posebno...

na modelu 156 toliko stvari za kojima covek ne moze ostati ravnodusan, a ovde nista, ama bas nista... i jos jedan veliki minus je njena tezina koju ne mogu da oprostim i predjem preko nje... (MOJE MISLJENJE)

[Sasha]

Da, bocna linija jer su 156 mnogi kopirali,a posto je rec o nasledniku onda se moze reci "vec vidjeno" ali u okviru kuce! Zamerka na mestu sto se tice tezine i to verujem vecini smeta. A o Benglovim kreaturama i mutantima ne bih ovde.......

[bojanTI]

Istina 156 je zista ostala neprevazidjena, ovde bi se moglo naci par zamerki recimo kako se hauba spusta ka soferki, to je bar meni pomalo glupo! Onda ta bocna linija, mnogo je to bolje na 156 odradjeno!
Ali opet sa druge strane ovaj prednji deo izgleda mnogo muskije i opasnije nego na 156, ceo auto izgleda mnogo veci, robusniji, ozbiljniji pa sam ga u startu tako i doziveo, sve ove kreature ovih sto se igraju u photoshopu su mi pomalo besmislene, 159 meni izgleda kao jako kompaktan auto pa mi nesto bas i ne ide uz tuning, ali opet svaka cast na idejama, mora se priznati!

[Friš75turbo]

Procitao sam danas na jednom Alfa-forumu (mislim da je u pitanju Holandija, nisam siguran...), da je u pripremi (navodno ) JTD-3.0 agregat sa 270ks i 600Nm
Trebalo bi da se ugradjuje u 159 i Brera modele...
Ima li iko pojma o cemu se radi? San ili java?

[bojanTI]

Vidjena veceras u Balkanskoj, italijanske tablice, silver...
Prvo je nisam primetio od silnih slika koje sam gledao, a onda mi je sinulo, pa sam je pratio sve do javne garaze...

[33ie]

Ma da bre, pustite malo taj Photoshop na miru, na njemu neka se vezbaju Nemci, Italijani su rekli svoje ODAVNO !

Mada sto se tice prepravki svidja mi se ova srebrna koja nije photoshop,
ali opsno izgleda maska joj je jos agresivnija
KO da oce da ujede

Video sam jednu crnu 159 sa diplomatskim tablama i u Bg-u i nekoliko puta u Obrenovcu, i jednu belu isto diplomatske table 27-marta parkirana...

[Sasha]

http://www.carkeys.co.uk/launches/alfa_romeo/10221.asp

[the.doctor]

Kada vec raspravljate o stylingu 159 imam i ja par stvari o tome....



Jeste da je fabrika odradila svoje i da je ispalo po meni kao 156 Deja vu ali Autodelta je ispravila to i sada izgleda

159 GTA AM najbrutalniji auto koji sam video (problem je sto je jos u poject fazi)





Jednu sitnicu joj nikada necu oprostiti.... Kvaku na zadnjim vratima

[GT]

Poprilicno savrseno...

[bojanTI]

Jeremy Clarkson

How many actors are there in the world? I?m counting everyone, from the ?boy? in an amateur dramatic society?s performance of The Winslow Boy, to the Latvian teenager who appears only on webcams, covered in baby oil.

I?m counting people in Bollywood, people in French art house films, people at provincial Brazilian drama colleges. And if you do that, the number must be into the millions.

Some of them must be very good. It stands to reason. But they?ll never make it. The hand of fate will continue to deal them low diamonds and mid-range clubs until eventually they wind up teaching Stanislavski to self-harming inmates at Pentonville. Even those who make it to the top struggle to become Tom Cruise. The big-name star. The guarantee of bums on seats.

Take Christopher Walken as a prime example. He?s big, all right. He could get a table at the Ivy any time he wanted. And he?s also fabulously watchable. That gold watch scene in Pulp Fiction was, I think, the finest performance from any big screen actor since . . . well, ever.

But he still couldn?t fill a theatre. I mean, since Pulp Fiction he?s appeared in Kangaroo Jack, Engine Trouble, The Country Bears, Poolhall Junkies, The Affair of the Necklace, Joe Dirt, Jungle Juice, The Opportunists, Kiss Toledo Goodbye, Mousehunt and countless other movies that I can pretty much guarantee you haven?t seen. Since Top Gun, however, there isn?t a single Tom Cruise film I?ve missed. In fact there isn?t a single Tom Cruise film I don?t own on DVD. Of course Tom?s a fine actor. His performance alongside Dustin Hoffman?s twitchery in Rain Man was especially memorable. But is he better than Walken?

So it goes with all things, especially cars. Last week, after a hard day?s filming, I drove home in a new 3-series BMW. The Tom Cruise of motoring. The machine you would automatically choose if you wanted a well-made, reasonably sporty four-door saloon. And it was fine. But the next day an Alfa Romeo 159 arrived at my house. Now this is a car you would automatically not choose if you wanted a well-made, reasonably sporty four-door saloon. This is Christopher Walken.

Actually, that?s one of my less risible metaphors. Because in its long history of making cars, Alfa only rarely produces a Deer Hunter or a gold watch scene in Pulp Fiction. The vast majority of its offerings are complicated, silly and badly made. And as a result most go straight to the discount DVD bin at Blockbuster.

The thing is, though, with the exception of the simply appalling Arna, I?ve loved all Alfas. In fact I?ve argued time and again that nobody can be a petrolhead until they?ve owned one. It?s a rite of passage. Think of it as the great sex that leaves you with an embarrassing itch.

Take the old GTV6 as a prime example. I owned one once and it was a nightmare. The worst car I?ve owned. Deeply uncomfortable, spectacularly impractical and blessed with steering so heavy that navigating into a London parking space was like navigating a donkey into a budgie cage.

Then there was the complete lack of quality. Nothing worked. And when you got one thing fixed something else would break on the way home. Once it tried to murder me. The linkage from the gearlever to the rear-mounted gearbox fell off and jammed the prop shaft, causing a sound not heard on earth since Krakatoa blew up, and the rear wheels to lock.

But behind the oyster-like impregnability of its ergonomics and hidden in the sea of snot were two perfect pearls. The styling. And the howl from its V6 engine. In a tunnel, at 4000rpm, it was more sonorous than any music. It was like having your soul licked by angels.

In essence, then, Alfa has always understood what makes driving a thrill. But it has never been able to make a car. Well, not a car that a rational, normal human being might want to buy.

Think of them as underground German art films. Great for serious-minded critics but not quite in the same everyman league as BMWillis on an asteroid.

At first I thought the 159 would be more of the same. The boot release button is in the roof, just where you wouldn?t expect it to be, the electric windows have a mind of their own, and like the Fiat Grande Punto I reviewed last week, it couldn?t find or hold Radio 2. It could pick up pigs squeaking on Io, and Radio Leicester. But not Johnnie Walker.

These, however, are trivial faults. No more annoying in the big scheme of things than the iDrive in a BMW or the harsh ride you get on an Audi. Unlike Alfas of old you have to look long and hard in a 159 to find something deeply disturbing. But I found it, all right.

The greatest sensation of speed afforded to ordinary man is not on a go-kart or a rollercoaster. It comes when you?ve got the cruise control set at 70mph, the traffic in front is stopping and momentarily you can?t find the button to turn it off. In that hiccup of time it doesn?t feel like you?re doing 70mph. It feels like you?re doing three times the speed of light.

That?s why, in most cars, the cruise control ?off? button is clearly visible and easy to use in a hurry. Not in the Alfa it isn?t. It looks like one of the pieces from a game of Risk and it?s mounted on a stalk just below and slightly behind the indicator.

So when the traffic ground to a halt on the M40 I bet the chap behind me was keen to know why I didn?t slow at all and then, for no obvious reason, suddenly indicated left. This, then, is proper swivel-eyed Alfa lunacy but it is the only thing in the car that?s truly wrong and there?s a simple way round the problem. Ignore it. Pretend it isn?t there.

But do not pretend the 159 isn?t there next time you want a mid-range four-door saloon because that would be a mistake. A bad one. First of all, it is exactly one million times better looking than a BMW 3-series. And with those triple headlamps, and perfect proportions, at least half a million times better looking than any rivals from Audi, Mercedes or Jaguar.

Inside, it?s even better. The driving position is spot on, the dials look like they?ve come from a Swiss watch and the quality of the leather, especially if you have it in red, gives the impression that it costs Rolls-Royce money.

But it doesn?t. A 159 Lusso, which is the luxury version, is ?22,395. That?s about what BMW charges for a 320i SE, but Alfa gives you far more equipment as standard and lots more power as well. The 2.2 litre engine is a peach that just begs to be taken outside and given a damn good thrashing. Porsche engineered an exhaust rasp into the Boxster at 5000rpm to reward the sporty driver. Alfa hasn?t bothered. It just gives you a simple four-cylinder engine that, all on its own, sounds better and better until you?re up at 6500 when it sounds like a metallic werewolf.

You can pootle around slowly but somehow you tend to drive the 159 very hard and very fast. But the engine, torquey, powerful and smooth though it may be, is not the best part of this car. That accolade goes to the steering. It?s fast, sharp, more informative than the internet and more tactile than a freshly carved stone otter.

The handling is also sweet and yet the ride isn?t even slightly uncomfortable. Which means that the 159 drives and feels like no other car in its class. If you have even the faintest trace of petrol in your veins, if you are even on nodding terms with the concept of simple, good engineering, you should drive this car. Because it doesn?t matter what you have now, you?ll be smitten. I was.

This is one of those cars that?s demonstrably and appreciably better than any other mid-range four-door family saloon. And unlike any Alfa of the past, you don?t have to machete your way through a million inconveniences to find the point. This car does not hide its gold watch up its behind. It is an absolute gem.

[dekideki]

covek je postao pisac

Alfista.

ma moze da prica ko sta hoce, ali ako ovaj, koji je probao SVE (pa cak i vozio Vejrona 407 km/h) napise ovakve stvari, mora mu se odati postovanje.

gledam na 159 iz sasvim drugog ugla, posle citanja ovog sjajnog teksta.

some day, in about 10 years, i'll have one.

[bojanTI]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yBIWkTyvmo

[VR6]

Evo od jucer vozam Alfu 159 2.4 JTDm, sluzbenu dakle.

154 kW iliti 210 KS. Auto je prijatno iznenadjenje po pitanju kvalitete, sve je supersklopljeno, nista ne cvrci, pucketa, karoserija je cvrsta ko kamen (i kod penjanja na trotoar ni ne progovara). Motor super ugladjen, no i mrtav ispod nekih 1500 o/min. Ne osjeca se posebno da auto ima tih 210 KS, al kad se pogleda brzinomjer, jasno se vidi da IDE. Auto mi je gotovo sav super, osim mjenjaca. Ovaj mjenjac je Alfa valjda preko GM-a dobila od Opela i mjenjac klinca nevalja (6 stepeni manualac). Nije neprecizan, al je spor i nije lako pogoditi pravu brzinu kad se ne prati H sema, nego hocu recimo direktno da iz seste usaltam u 3-u ili 4-u, tad nije lako pogoditi. Steta stvarno sto je Alfa ovako los mjenjac ugradila u svoj model, da nije, auto bi bio ravnopravan konkurent BMW trici (u njoj sam presao oko 3000 km). BMW je nesto tisi pri vecim brzinama 200 i sl km/h, no osim toga, u ostalom su gotovo jednaki. S tim sto Alfa ima duplo ljepsu unutrasnjost, koja mene jako podsjeca na nove Ferrarije...

Bi li ovu Alfu uzeo prije nego BMW tricu?! Ne bi - zbog mjenjaca.

[motion]

Pozdrav svim ALFISTIMA,

Ovo je moja prva poruka na ovom forumu i zeleo bih da zvanicno objavim da sam izgleda kao i vi zarazen alfa virusom. Dogodilo se to iznenada, pre par godina, pri prvom pogledu na prelepu 159-ku. Od tada zudim za ovim automobilom. I ranije su mi se svidjale Alfe, 164, 155, 156, 166, ali 159-ku kad vidim ko da me grom udari, kao kad ulicom proseta prelepa visoka crnka bujne kose i kestenjastih ociju, brrrrr

Po netu sam nalazio razlicite ocene ovog automobila, ali mislim da se najvise slazem sa cenjenim gosp. Clarcksonom, koji je inace veliki poklonik ove marke, poznata je njegova recenica da covek ne moze biti pravi, englezi to kazu "petrolhead", dok ne kupi Alfu. Ono sto je napisao za 159-ku veoma me raduje, buduci da covek ume da pogodi sustinu automobila kojeg predstavlja i da to iznese na upecatljiv, zivopisan i jedinstven nacin.

[Dexy]

Zahvaljujuci Delata Autu, tj, njenom Alfa Romeo brand manageru imao sam 159 2.2 JTS Elegante 24h, srebrne boje, sa crnom alfatex unutrssnjosti. Auto sam dobio na test i imao sam priliku da ga vozim sto po Beogradskoj guzvi sto na relaciji BG-NS-BG.
Najpre, auto deluje znatno veci od 156, mada zapravo i nije toliko, unutra ima neznatno vise mesta nego u 156. Kvalitet materijala i zavrsne obrade je mojom slobodnom procenom bar 3 svetlosne godine sipred 156, drugim recima gotovo da ne zaostaje za germanskim automobilima, cak mislim da je za razliku od pomenutih sklad u kabini savrsen, pozicija sedenja, raspored instrumenta...sve je na dohvat ruke i nekao se covek lako navikava, sve je tu bas gde treba da bude. Nista ne skirpi, ne pucka, karoserija je zaista maksimalno utegnuta, cak i sa, po meni prenaduvanim gumama 225/50/17 nista ne lupa i udarci od srpskih puteva se ne prenose u toj meri na karoseriju kao na 156. Sama upravljivost je gotovo ista kao kod vecine Alfi, mozda za nijansu preciznija nego na 156, ostra, tacna i sam osecaj tezine na volanu je odlican, drugim recima 159 je kao i 156 spretan , precizan i okretan auto. Motor je kao sto ranije napisah 2.2 JTS sa 185 KS, tih, kultivisan i elastican. Zaista jako lepo ide (ali i trosi 13l prosek pri "agresivnijem" tempu), elasticnost je vrhunska, u 6-om stepenu povlaci i sa 2000 rpm i ubrzanja su gotovo linerna, nema "erupcija" snage, tj. rupa u ubrzanju, sve ide glatko i predvidivo.
Jedina (bar po meni) manjkavost je menjac, koji nije neprecizan ali ima mozda poduze hodove i ne dozvoljava brzo saltanje (sto meni recimo godi) vec ima nekakvu zadrsku pri promeni stepena prenosa. Naravno ima jos par sitnica koje su mi zasmetale a to su: buka koja potice og guma se suvise cuje u kabini ,u pitanju su bile Brigestone Potenza , jako mala piksla koja je gotovo sakrivena u centralnom grebenu, neverovatno losa preglednost pri voznji unazad (ali na svu srecu tu su senzori i zaista pregledni spoljni retrovizori).

Moj zakljucaj je, da je Alfa ovim modelom zaista zakoracila sigurno u svet premium sedana i da konkurencija ima zbog cega da brine. Ja sam pristrasan te bi moj izbor uvek bio Alfa, ali citiram kolegu koji je isti taj auto testirao kao i ja, a inace vozi Ceski auto germanske krvi: "ova Alfa je bezobrazno dobra! Uzimam i ja Alfu...."