Kraj Chryslera ?

[Horsepower]

Izgleda da se Chrysleru polako pise kraj, bez obzira ko ih kupio.

Opcija 1 je da ih kupi General Motors. GM zeli Chrysler iz dva razloga: pare i Jeep. Kupovinom Chryslera GM bi dobio oko $11 milijardi sto bi mu jako pomoglo u razvijanju 2010 Chevy Cruze i Volt. A kupovinom Chryslera GM bi takodje dobio Jeep, sto mu igra veliku ulogu jer sa Jeep - GM bi bio u stanju da spasi Chrysler. U tom slucaju Dodge i Chrysler bi bili potpuno ugaseni, osim nekih vozila kao sto su minivans.

Opcija 2 je da ih kupe Francuzi, tj. Renault. Nissan/Renault je jako zainteresovan i Carlos Ghosn vec duze vreme trazi Americkog partnera, a i njima je najzanimljiviji Jeep, mada bi u ovom slucaju verovatno ostali i Dodge Ram, Charger i mozda i Challenger i Chrysler 300.

[Pro_Touring_Mopar]

Ne verujem... Slicno se pricalo i kad je Renault kupovao Nissan. Smatralo se da ce Reno ugasiti skoro kompletan Nissanov program i krenuti da proizvodi svoje automobile u Japanu, ili razvijati nov proizvodni program za Japan... Naravno, nista od toga se nije desilo, a Nissan je cak debelo profitirao iz tog "braka". Preko 44% njihovih deonica pripada Renou, mada vidim da im to uopste ne smeta da razvijaju nove modele...

Ko zna, mozda "spajanje" sa nekom drugom firmom bude profitabilno i za Chrysler i njegove modele...

[Horsepower]

GM ako kupi Chrysler, sto se i ocekuje i cela prica bi mogla biti zavrsena za samo 2 sedmice, GM nema razloga da zadrzi Chrysler i Dodge, osim minivans. Samo bi sebi pravili konkurenciju.

[Bane R]

Re: Kraj Chryslera ?

Kupovinom Chryslera GM bi dobio oko $11 milijardi

aj prevedi

[Horsepower]

Dobio bi pare koje Chrysler trenutno ima u rezervi plus bi takodje dobio i novac koji Americki government hoce da da Chrysleru za pomoc (tu pomoc dobivaju i GM i Ford).

[BRABUS]

Trenutno ne vidim ko bi finansirao takav deal, osim drzave, tj. ko bi bio toliko lud da finansira kupovinu kompanije koja prodaje 25% manje vozila nego prosle, inace jako lose godine i gori kes kao luda...

Banke, koje jos uvek drze kredit koji je Cerberus uzeo prilikom kupovine, sigurno nece da daju nov, s obzirom da se ovaj trenutno prodaje za 36 centi na 1$ (u decembru je bio 86 na dolar).

Jedino US, tj. Fed moze da da novac, ali za to nema politicke volje, s obzirom na to koliko je para poreskih obveznika dato za finansijski sektor. HP, to je dezinformacija da US government daje novac za Big 3.

To za Chryslerov kes je poluinformacija. Dobice ga onaj koji kupi Chrysler, samo ako je pre toga uspeo da vrati sav kredit koji je uzet pri kupovini od strane Cerberusa. Znaci, banke koje su pozajmile novac Cerberus-u imaju prvenstvo na kes koji je na racunu Chrylsera. Ako uspeju da se refinansiraju (fakticki, da nadju nekog da plati dug koji trenutno vredi 36c/$ po ceni od 1$ ), novi vlasnik ima pravo na kes. Ako ne, bake imaju prioritet i tek kada se one zadovolje, novi vlasnik raspolaze ostatkom.

Ulogu igra i GMAC, bivsi finansijski deo GM-a, koji je u 51% vlasnistvu Cerberus-a i takodje u uzasnom stanju (drugih 49% drzi GM) i verovatno je da ako ce neko da dobije pomoc vlade, to bude GMAC. U tom slucaju, moze da se desi da Cerberus da Chrysler za ostatak GMAC-a, mada i tu ima dosta protivnika - jer bi to bila injekcija novca direktno u fond koji je svesno ulazio u rizicne investicije tipa GMAC i Chrysler....sto bi bilo bez presedana u US.

Sve u svemu, Big 3 su u big shit i mislim da ce sva 3 u bankrot, tj. restruktuiranje, kao sto je Delphi godinama...

[Horsepower]

Svim auto kompanijama u Americi trenutno ide lose, ali GM je nekako u najboljoj situaciji. U Septembru njihova prodaja je pala za 15% sto je ubedljivo najmanje od svih kompanija.
Cak i velika Toyota je imala pad prodaje od 33% u Septembru. Verujem da se sada kaju sto su pre 2 godine investirali $1.5 milijarde za novu generaciju Tundre pickupa.

A sto se tice samog Chryslera vise bi voleo da ih Francuzi kupe. Jer u tom slucaju i Chrysler i Dodge bi ostali, a verujem da bi Ghosn mogao da ucini situaciju boljom.

[///M_Power]

U svakom slucaju to ce biti tuzan dogadjaj - bez obzira na okolnosti... To je bar moje licno vidjenje stvari.
Imao sam prilike da radim sa ljudima tamo, vise puta bio u njihovom Global Headquaters-u u Detroitu. To nije zgrada, vec pravi pokriveni grad na vise spratova - lici na ogroman trzni centar... imaju i svoju televiziju i TV studio koji emituje program unutar zgrade (grada)...
Ogromna firma i potencijal - Steta...

[andrigo]

Zalosno ako Dodge prestane da pravi automobile :'(
Posle toliko godina da ode u zaborav ...

[Superbird]

Otisli su Plymouth i Oldsmobile, koji je najstariji americki proizvodjac automobila, tako da ne verujem da ce se posebno potresti oko Dodgea...

[Horsepower]

Osim sto ce 40,000 ljudi ostati bez posla :x ... ali da, nista drugo se nece primetiti.

'ebiga, kad ja pricam da auto kompanije trebaju proizvoditi automobile koji bi ljudi ustvari kupovali, a ne automobile koji mnogi zele, a samo neki kupuju - meni se drugi smeju. A Chrysler je potpuno zapostavio small i mid-size klase, koje su ubedljibo najpopularnije na trzistu. 'ebiga, bitno je da oni ulazu ogromne pare u Vipera koji se proda u 400 primeraka godisnje. I bitno je da imaju SRT 6.1L verzije vecine auta u vreme kada cene goriva dostizu rekordne cene. A najpopularnije klase, kao sto su small i mid-size, potpuno ignorisati i imati smesne automobile tipa Caliber, Avenger i Sebring na koje niko ne obraca paznju.

Zato uzivajte u Viperu, Challengeru i silnim SRT modelima dok jos mozete ... jer ih za nekoliko sedmica vise nece biti.

[Superbird]

Brate, vas ne da zavlace, nego je to strasno... Sad ce da vam proture pricu da je americka ekonomija pretrpela veliki udar zbog otpustanja 40,000 ljudi (kao onda kad su zatvorene neke fabrike, pisao si o tome), pa ce da vam poskupi gorivo, hrana itd.

A sad malo razmisli, 40 hiljada ljudi od 350 miliona, koliko je to, 0,01%? I frka kao nastaje zbog toga, a to sto se trosi 16 milijardi dolara mesecno na rat u Iraku i Avganistanu, to nema veze, to je sica...

[X9]

o politici necemo,jer to isto ja mogu da kazem za nas narod u srbiji sa moje spoljne tacke gledista
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[///M_Power]

Mozda sam subjektivan, ali nije sve u procentima i broju ljudi koji ce ostati bez posla... sam proces stvaranja automobila je tezak, zanimljiv, zahteva preciznost ali i slobodu, zahteva individualnost ali i timski rad i pre svega strpljenje ali i brzinu donosenja odluka - i naravno sve to treba ciniti u pravom momentu u protivnom svaka vrlina moze biti kontraproduktivna. Naravno, sve to postoji i u drugim firmama, ali ta razlicitost ce biti siromasnija ako Chrysler nestane... Drugacije gledas na stvari kada si deo te price i kada imas licna iskustva.
Evo neke fotke koje sam uspeo naci na netu... zao mi je sto nemam licno svojih fotografija.

[BRABUS]

Nissan seeks Chrysler stake

Ghosn's proposal: Chrysler would be partner with Renault-Nissan
Christine Tierney, Robert Snell and David Shepardson / The Detroit News
The Renault-Nissan alliance is proposing to acquire around 20 percent of Chrysler LLC and bring the Auburn Hills automaker into the French-Japanese automotive partnership, according to sources familiar with the situation.

The offer is now before private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP, which also is in talks with General Motors Corp. about its Chrysler holding.

Sources familiar with the discussions said Carlos Ghosn, CEO of both Renault SA and Nissan Motor Co., sent a proposal in recent days that included revisions to a draft agreement prepared by Cerberus.

The sources said Tokyo-based Nissan would acquire the stake because it has cash on hand, whereas Renault now has debts of more than $5 billion.

Nissan and Chrysler already have several joint projects in the works, with Nissan planning to produce small cars for Chrysler and Chrysler scheduled to make the next generation Titan full-size pickup for Nissan. Chrysler and Nissan managers say the teams work well together.

But another source close to the talks has told The Detroit News that Cerberus founder and CEO Stephen Feinberg favors a deal with GM, viewing it as the best solution for the embattled U.S. auto industry.

Under the scenarios being discussed with GM, the automaker might absorb its smaller rival or establish it as a subsidiary, with Cerberus expected to take a stake in the combined automotive entity. But these scenarios would require financing, which is hard to obtain in this economic environment.

"The key to any deal is the availability of financing to fund present cash burn rates and substantial merger costs," said Citi auto analyst Itay Michaeli.

He estimated that the combined entity would need at least $10 billion to $12 billion of fresh cash. "Attaining such financing could require Cerberus' participation and perhaps that of certain Chrysler bank debt holders," he said in a research note.

Citing "the significant execution risk and a checkered industry mergers and acquisition track record," he reiterated his sell rating on GM's stock.

Most industry experts say such a GM-Chrysler deal would lead to drastic job cuts at Chrysler because of the huge overlap between the two U.S. automakers' businesses.

Brands would be retained

By contrast, Detroit's smallest automaker would remain largely intact as a partner in the Renault-Nissan alliance.

It would participate in the joint purchasing, vehicle platform development and other programs, slashing its costs. But it would have its own management and retain its brands. There is little overlap among Renault, Nissan and Chrysler brands in most of the world.

The Renault-Nissan alliance was formed in 1999, when France's Renault SA acquired a controlling stake in then-struggling Nissan. Ghosn, then a senior executive at Renault, was dispatched to Japan, where he returned Nissan to profitability within a year.

He has expressed a wish for a long time to add a North American partner to the alliance.

But with the world's markets and economies struggling through a steep and potentially protracted downturn, many Renault and Nissan investors may resist Ghosn's plan to add a third, and troubled, member to the alliance. With sales tumbling in the United States and Europe, Renault and Nissan are straining, although they are still profitable.

Nissan had around $2.4 billion of net cash at the end of June but is committed to paying around $1.5 billion in dividends. Its investors were unhappy two years ago, when Renault-Nissan envisaged a three-way deal with GM.

Sources close to the talks say it is far from certain that Cerberus will conclude a deal with either Renault-Nissan or GM.

Cerberus, Renault and Nissan declined to comment. But the sources close to the talks say that GM and Cerberus are targeting a deal before the presidential election Nov. 4, when politicians may be more receptive to requests for federal aid to complete a merger.

Industry experts speculated on the dynamics of the parallel negotiations. "I don't know if Cerberus is playing GM off against Nissan-Renault," said Sean McAlinden, chief economist and vice president for research at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor.

Cerberus acquired 80.1 percent of Chrysler from then-DaimlerChrysler AG in August 2007 for $7.4 billion, most of which was injected into Chrysler. Cerberus is now in talks to acquire Daimler's remaining 19.9 percent stake.

Whether it concludes a deal with GM or Renault-Nissan, the New York-based private equity firm is unlikely to get money for Chrysler, analysts say, noting that Daimler essentially gave away the U.S. automaker that it had acquired in 1998.

Sales have fallen 25%
Now privately owned, Chrysler does not publish its financial results. But the automaker has suffered the sharpest sales drop of any major player in the U.S. market. Its sales have fallen 25 percent so far this year, twice the rate of the overall market's decline.

Its talks with Nissan expanded beyond vehicle projects in February, when Nissan, Chrysler and Cerberus officials met in Japan to discuss the possibility of a deeper relationship. Cerberus executives have led the negotiations with Renault-Nissan since the late spring.

The sources familiar with the negotiations say Nissan would likely acquire a stake of at least 15 percent -- allowing it to account for the holding as an equity investment under Japanese rules -- and most likely around 20 percent.

Nissan Executive Vice President Carlos Tavares is leading the negotiations, according to the sources, with help from senior U.S.-based Nissan executives.

The cost-saving estimates have been described as encouraging, though not on the scale of the benefits that would have been generated by the Renault-Nissan-GM deal proposed in 2006 by former GM shareholder Kirk Kerkorian. GM and its board rejected the proposal.

Alisa Priddle contributed to this report. You can reach Christine Tierney at (313) 222-1463 or